Help identifying street name.

Hi all,

John and Jacquie are doing the geneology bit and are having trouble indentifying the street name on this census form.
I thought it was Queen Street but I'm not so sure. Can anyone help them please?

Where in Deptford?

 

 

Hi everyone

 

Jane sent me an email telling me about her ancestors in the above photo but more importantly help in trying to identify the location of where the photo was taken. Clue may be in the sign above them. Jane supplied the following info......

 

His name was William John Clark. On the 1911 census he was living with his parents William John Edward Clark and Finch Morgan Clark nee Pearson (known as Annie) at 53 Crossfield St. I know his first 2 children were born at this address in 1914 & 1919 I don't know when he moved out.

By 1936 he was living at 62 Creek Rd, with his wife Ellen & children, Ted, Nell, Harold & Joyce and my grandmother Ivy Morley. His parents were still at Crossfield St..........

 

 

Can anyone help please

 

best regards

 

Andy

Mystery Bottle

Lorna found this bottle whilst mud-larking the Thames up buy the 02.

She has asked if we can identify the distributors and or the location where they operated from

On the bottle and the top are the words  "The Kent Creamia Milk Co. Ltd. Deptford. 

Can anyone help please???

Regards

Andy

Robbins Model Bakery

Can anyone identify whether or not this picture with the bakery in the background was located somewhere in Deptford...? Your help would be much appreciated as I'm trying to trace, for my family tree, the person on the left who I believe is my grandfather's brother who was born in Hale Street.

best regards to all
 Andy

Deptford Salvation Army Band 1927

St Pauls 1900 to 1910 Approx

Found this old Post Card of St Paul's. The graveyard then looked pretty full.

Fire Station in Evelyn Street 1900,s ?

Thankfull Sturdee

Thankfull Sturdee was born in Deptford April 24th  1852 and Christened June 27th  1852 in Deptford. He was married to Catherine Sarah Bland (b Deptford 1854) in 1883 and had 1 son and 1 daughter.
He is listed as living and working at the following places.

 70 Tanners Hill from 1899 to 1900
16 Bolden Street from 1900 to 1903.
157 Malpas Road, Deptford 1909 - 1910.

1881: photographer living at 252 Evelyn Street, Deptford.
1901: photographer living at 16 Bolden Street, Deptford.
1912: photographer living at 151 Manor Road, Brockley, Deptford.
1917: photographer living at 26 Geoffrey Road, Brockley, Deptford.

He Joined the Daily Mirror as staff photographer September 1911, retired 1922.
Above is a Commemorative plaque from Lewisham Borough Council fixed to Studio 2 in Bolden Street. He died at 26 Geoffrey Road, Brockley, Deptford April 3 1934.



I recently purchased one of his books "Reminiscences of Old Deptford" printed 1895. I have seen this book advertise for sale at £75 up to would you believe £145!! My copy was a lot cheaper and I  have decided to copy and post its contents here so all the folk of Deptford can enjoy its content. Here is the first instalment with more to follow. Enjoy

Help for Giles in his search

Hello All,

Giles Gaffney has asked me to help him on his quest to find more information regarding the area around Lower Watergate and Butchers Row and in particular parts from a missing map. Here's his email to me and he would be grateful for any help.

Chris at Shipwrights can you help in anyway? As you can see Giles has been trying to contact you but like me he doesn't have you email. Thanks

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Dear Andy

I wanted to bring this to your attention - would also be grateful if you could please forward it to Shipwright's Palace as I don't have his email address or perhaps a plug on your website even - this is quite exciting stuff! :)

I am attempting to trace the source of this map (below) left by the Deptford Pier company upon demolition of the old village centre, which may span further south and east compared to the excerpt reproduced by Pre Construct in an archaeological report from 2008. It shows the numbering and position of all the buildings, including the names of the pubs/taverns, but is cropped before taking in Lower Watergate where another pub existed (below).

 

 

 

 



So far I have failed to trace it, but have begun contacting members of Pre Construct, so with any luck may hear back from them. The report in itself is worthy enough to appear on the same shelf, and alongside, the best history books of the Lewisham borough IMO!http://archaeologydataservice.ac.uk/archives/view/greylit/details.cfm?id=17970&det=y

 





 

 

Best regards

 

Giles 

Grinlin Gibbons. An extract from John Evelyn,s Diary 1670

Ruddigore Road or Street ? Deptford

Ruddigore Road is now the southern elbow of Sanford Street leading to the junction of Woodpecker Road and Edward Street, a little north east of New Cross Gate station

Mary Ann Buildings circa 1960's

Deptford Green 1910?

Ellesmere Guardian, Volume LXII, Issue 17, 4 March 1941

New Zealand Herald, Volume XXVI, Issue 9476, 21 September 1889

NELSON RELIEF FUND Colonist, Volume LVII, Issue 13781, 19 May 1915

Feilding Star, Volume XI, Issue 2762, 9 July 1915

Ghosts In Deptford by Cicely Fox Smith

Ghosts In Deptford

If ghosts should walk in Deptford, as very well they may,

A man might find the night there more stirring than the day,

Might meet a Russian Tsar there, or see in Spain's despite

Queen Bess ride down to Deptford to dub Sir Francis knight.

And loitering here and yonder, and jostling to and fro,

In every street and alley the sailor-folk would go,

All colours, creeds, and nations, in fashion old and new,

If ghosts should walk in Deptford, as like enough they do.

And there'd be some with pigtails, and some with buckled shoes,

And smocks and caps like pirates that sailors once did use,

And high sea-boots and oilskins and tarry dungaree,

And shoddy suits men sold them when they came fresh from sea.

And there'd be stout old skippers and mates of mighty hand,

And Chinks and swarthy Dagoes, and Yankees lean and tanned,

And many a hairy shellback burned black from Southern skies,

And brassbound young apprentice with boyhood's eager eyes,

And by the river reaches all silver to the moon

You'd hear the shipwrights' hammers beat out a phantom tune,

The caulkers' ghostly mallets rub-dub their faint tattoo —

If ghosts should walk in Deptford, as very like they do.

If ghosts should walk in Deptford, and ships return once more

To every well-known mooring and old familiar shore,

A sight it were to see there, of all fine sights there be,

The shadowy ships of Deptford come crowding in from sea.

Cog, carrack, buss and dromond — pink, pinnace, snake and snow —

Queer rigs of antique fashion that vanished long ago,

With tall and towering fo'c'sles and curving carven prows,

And gilded great poop lanterns, and scrolled and swelling bows.

The Baltic barque that foundered in last month’s North Sea gales,

And last year's lost Cape Horner on her sails,

Black tramp and stately liner should lie there side by side

Ay, all should berth together upon that silent tide.

In dock and pond and basin so close the keels should lie

Their hulls should hide the water, their masts make dark the sky,

And through their tangled rigging the netted stars should gleam

Like gold and silver fishes from some celestial stream.

And all their quivering royals and all their singing spars

Should send a ghostly music a-shivering to the stars —

A sound like Norway forests when wintry winds are high,

Or old dead seamen's shanties from great old days gone by, —

Till eastward over Limehouse, on river, dock and slum,

All shot with pearl and crimson the London dawn should come,

And fast at flash of sunrise, and swift at break of day,

The shadowy ships of Deptford should melt like mist away.

Cicely Fox Smith was born 1 February 1882, into a middle-class family in Lymm, near Warrington, England during the latter half of the reign of Queen Victoria. Her father was a barrister and her grandfather was a clergyman. Smith well might have been expected to have a brief education and then to settle down to life as a home-maker either for her family or her marriage partner.

She was well educated at Manchester High School for Girls from 1894 to 1897, where she described herself later as "something of a rebel," and started writing poems at a comparatively early age. In an article for the school magazine Smith later wrote "I have a hazy recollection of epic poems after Pope's Iliad, romantic poems after Marmion stored carefully away in tin tobacco boxes when I was seven or eight." All of that early work is lost unfortunately. She published her first book of verses when she was 17 and it received favourable press comments.

Wandering the moors near her home she developed a spirit of adventure. She would follow the Holcombe Harriers[disambiguation needed] hunt on foot as a girl. She had a fierce desire to travel to Africa but eventually settled for a voyage to Canada. Smith likely sailed with her sister Madge in 1911 on a steamship to Montreal, where she would then have travelled by train to Lethbridge, Alberta, staying for about a year with her older brother Richard Andrew Smith before continuing on to British Columbia (BC). From 1912 to 1913 she resided in the James Bay neighbourhood of Victoria at the southern tip of Vancouver Island, working as a typist for the BC Lands Department and later for an attorney on the waterfront. Her spare time was spent roaming nearby wharves and alleys, talking to residents and sailors alike. She listened to and learned from the sailors' tales until she too was able to speak with that authoritative nautical air that pervades her written work.

On 23 November 1913, Smith, with her mother and sister, arrived home in Liverpool aboard the White Star Line steamer Teutonic on the eve of World War I. She and her family then settled in Hampshire.

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I'm Back

Hello 

Please let me apologise for the disruption and disappearance of "Old Deptford History" for the 3 weeks. I had domain/set-up issues but I'm happy to say this has now been sorted. Thanks for your patients and continued support whilst I've been off air!

very best regards to you all,

Andy

John Collins Chandler Shop

This chandle'r shop was located at No 53 Addey Street Deptford

Off License in Church Street Deptford

Does anyone know where this off license was located in Church Street??